Paul,
Sorry to have not seen this;
“I’m not at all sure how your views on time tie in to the “nature is not mathematical” idea”
We agree it is a map. So the map is necessarily a static modeling of a dynamic process. Which if we accept it as that, is not a problem, but when it is assumed this mapping is somehow foundational to the territory, it’s illogical. The map is reductionistic, so it would be like boiling a body down to its skeleton and arguing that is the seed from which the body sprang.
The process of thought is a cycle between reductionism and contextualization. So if we assume pure reductionism somehow leads us to a deeper understanding of reality than the context from which it was distilled, we are making a similar error as epicycles. Which were a very effective and accurate model of what was observed, but what was observed wasn’t the entire picture, so that context was overlooked and “crystalline spheres” were proposed as the alternate explanation.
My point is that we are also perceiving time similarly, as the present moving past to future, rather than change turning future to past, just as we saw the sun and stars moving east to west, rather than the planet rotating west to east.
Thus taking the time as dimension issue literally, rather than as effect of our sequential process of perception, necessary for mobile orgainisms. Leading back into my previous post. That patterns emerge from process and maps are a pattern. It is just that our minds see patterns, not process.
For instance, we see our legs and find them handy for walking, so we think of walking as an effect of having legs, but the reality is that legs evolved to propel us. The need to give us mobility created the forms of legs.
As such, nouns are pattern, while verbs are process, yet just as we still see the sun rising in the east and setting in the west, or experience time as a sequence of events, rather than the changing configuration creating those events, we think of the patterns as primary and the process as secondary.
Math is abstraction and only abstraction.
