What is your proof they are being logical and not just the usual over the top bullshit dressed up as various ideologies, theories, narratives, etc?

Ask yourself, is time the present moving past to future, that we experience as mobile organisms with this sequential process of perception, or is it change turning future to past? As in tomorrow becomes yesterday, because the earth turns.

Would a spiritual absolute be an ideal of wisdom nd judgement, from which we fell, or the essence of sentience from which we rise?

Supposedly money is both medium of exchange and store of value, yet in the body, blood is the medium and fat is store. Would a doctor confuse them? Roads are a medium. If we treated roads like we treat money, everything would be paved over and we would be fighting over our little plots of pavement.

How about cosmology; If intergalactic space expands, why doesn't the speed of the light crossing it increase proportionally, in order to remain Constant? Given two metrics are being derived from the speed and spectrum of the same light, as it is an expanding space theory and not a tired light theory, the speed is still being used as the denominator.

Basically as these linear goal oriented creatures in this cyclical, circular, reciprocal, feedback generated reality, we haven't really come to terms with the earth being round.

Just because everyone is running with the herd, doesn't mean there is any actual logic involved.

The larger the herd, the lower the common denominator.

As for data, epicycles were brilliant math, as a model of our view of the cosmos......

The models break down over infinities and disappear at zero. Everything in-between is relational.

The problems come when there are no circuit breakers in the feedback loops. AI is a feedback loop.